2505 Wat Changhai LP Thuat Pinaikum

Luang Por Thuat  Roon Pinaikum by Ajarn Tim 

Tummaro, Master of Wat Chang Hai

1 month before Ajarn Tim’s death at Siriraj Hospital, he wrote a will to describe his last words at Wat Eiam Woranuch.

Details of Ajarn Tim’s will:

Kru Wisai Sopol, 57 years old. Master of Wat Raj Burana Changhai, Pai Rai, Kok Poh, Pattani helped in writing Ajarn Tim’s will. The content is as follows:

1.     Pra Kru Patrakorn Kowit, Head of Na Pradu district Wat Na Pradu

2.     Pra Kru Manoon Samanakarn, Head of Tung Pla, Wat Palanupap

3.     Pra Sopol Tummakul, Wat Napradu

4.     Pra Kru Palud Nong Tumputoh, Master of Wat Sai Kao

5.     Pra Kru Bai Di Ka Kao, Wat Baan Di, Mueng, Pattani

The above 5 persons will be managing the inheritance:

1. Be responsible for the completion of Chedi (construction in progress) according to the construction plans

2. Gather funds from the donation to support the construction.

3. Pay all the debts for cost of construction materials, cost of making LP Thuat and making rings.

4. From my personal money, use 20,000 Baht only to settle the cremation. Use 50,000 Baht for building a wall surrounding Wat Na Pradu. Use the rest to set up a foundation or deposit in a bank in order to accumulate the interest money for future spending on items that benefits Buddhism and fellow Buddhists.

5. All cash deposited in the bank can be withdrawn for the Chedi construction or for paying debts.

6. Pra Luang Por nuen Wad was blessed during a ceremony on 19 May 2505 BC. Out of 2,000 Pra Nuen Wan, 200 were given to Pra Kru Ta Won Kul, Wat Eiam Woranuch. The rest to be given to those who make donation for building the temple’s wall and construction of the school of Pra Prariyat Tum, Wat Na Pradu. This is because Luang Por Tuad had been staying in this Wat and studied at this school since young.

7. Money from Luang Por Tuad’s friends were given to support the cremation and the funeral. Please return this money if not used.

8. Check and make a list of all the inheritance in the temple and my resting quarter to be passed on to the next master of the temple.

9. If any Laung Por Tuad Nuen Wan found in the my resting quarter, may give them to those that attended to me during my illness. Also, put some at Chedi as per agreement with Pra Kru Palud Nong.

10. Do not rent out any Pra Luang Por Tuad or any Luang Por’s ring. Please give them to those who donate for Chedi construction. Make a list to keep track of the donators as well

Point no. 6 above largely reveals the faithfulness of Ajarn towards Buddhism. This fact has made Pra LP Thuat, Roon Pinankum (of which ceremony was conducted by Ajarn Tim in 2505 B.C.) very popular till these days.

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2497 vs 2505 LP Thuat Nur Wahn, Ajarn Tim (Wat Changhai) - Part 2

LP Thuat of 2497 B.C. version is said to be the harder one to differentiate from other kinds, because:

• LP Thuat was made of earth and wahn. The one that has higher component of earth looks more black while the one with more wahn looks more brown and grey. This amulet with the black tone has very fine texture, for example Pim Kammakarn. Since the amulet was not mixed with fixed components, this produced the outcome of different tones. Need an expert to examine and differentiate the amulet.
• The way amulet was kept. When the amulet faces heat and humidity, the condition may change- the texture becomes more tight or loose.

The way to examine LP Thuat of 2497 B.C.needs to have a lot of understanding of which kind of mold and the colour pigments of the amulet.

LP Thuat of 2505 B.C.version (Phi nai khum commonly known as) is more intricate than the 2497 B.C. version since more time taken to produce and fewer number produced. (2497 B.C has 64,000 whereas 2505 B.C. has 20,000 pieces)

• Pim Yai with Kamakarn face is similar to Pim Kamakarn of 2497 B.C. version but smaller. It is said that they might use the same mold.
• Pim Yai with Kamakarn face (but made of new mold). The look is slightly different from first one. It is said that this becomes the original mold for Pim Yai wat Sai Kow (Ajarn Nong)
• Pim Pra Rod may look similar to Pim Pra Rod Kammakarn 2497 but there are some difference. Phim nai khum version, 2505 B.C. has the same tone as Pim Kamakarn. As such, the tone is black with red, black and white pigments, similar to 2497 B.C. version. At the back, there are parts with gold colour mineral, which is unique to this amulet (2497 B.C. amulet may have this characteristic, but not many)

The amulet of Phim nai khum version, 2505 B.C. was produced in smaller quantity than the amulet of the same kind that has the same golden mineral at the back of the amulet. Therefore, Phra LP Thuat, , Phim nai khum 2505 B.C. version is more suitable to be collected than 2497 B.C. version in my opinion.

The amulet made in 2505 B.C. is usually big, worth collecting, although is rare, especially Phim Nai Khum Pim Pra Rod, compared to 2497 B.C. version, which is more common but more expensive.

In summary, for people that cannot afford 2497, or have better far sight, should study 2505. It is far more valuable and has great potential to increase prices. Anyway, their price difference is just 10-15% difference in market now. A top grade 2505 phim nai khum costs the same as a good grade 2497.

What I shared here are 2 very good condition 2505 LP Thuat Phi Nai Kum. One is Pim Yai with kamakarn face and same mold of 2497 pim kamakarn. The other one is new mold. Face and body looks slightly different if you look carefully.  Both are in excellent condition and have won in multiple competitions organized by Samakorm. 

2497 vs 2505 LP Thuat Nur Wahn, Ajarn Tim (Wat Changhai) - Part 1

Many people asked me about LP Thuat (nur wahn) of 2497 and 2505 origin. What is the difference, how many type , material composition, how to differentiate etc.

I would like to pen down what i know and my advice as well.

For 2497, it was well know for the fact that it was the first LP Thuat image. Ajarn Tim the then abbot of Wat Changhai, get "authorized" by LP Thuat to make this images to bless the devotees. It was made of mixture of both "earth" and "herbs". The colour of the amulets depends on material composition and mixture. The more "earth" it is the darker it became and the more herbs it has, the amulet appears brownish or greyish.

Almost all monk stayed near Wat Changhai participated in the making of LP Thuat. The younger monks helped to make materials into "nur" whereas the older/ more senior monks helped to pray/chant. Many special steps were needed to create herbal amulet by hand. Each Nur is unique due to different percentage of ingredients, different time taken to mix/press into mold and dry time too. Nur was sculpted into hundreds of "ball" and hand-pressed them into mold and let it dry naturally. The one that are left to be pressed later, was mostly dried off and cracked easily.  Nur that was not "elastic" enough, resulted in crack. Nur that was too liquid will not produce sharp edges and accurate features. The final piece looks all different because of all these factors despite being mixed with the same ingredient. That is the reason why it is hard to find 2 identical pieces and it is so difficult to authenticate a 2497 even for expert in LPT.

So, to authenticate, please make sure you check the form, the ingredient, greasiness, dryness of materials. If possible, scrap a bit and go through spectrometric analysis to see exact composition and age of the materials. :)

It is that difficult. Strangely, some 2497 are easier to be authenticated than others. And those easier to be authenticated, are usually those that are in bad form. Super dry and the right composition visibly seen. They are cheaper too (due to its bad condition or worn out condition) but safer in my opinion.

2506 lp thuat wat pakoh pim phra rod - 1st placing

Posted here is a hard to find nur wahn 2506 lp thuat pim phra rod chanted by ac Tim. Very gd condition with champion cert from major competition.

I shared a big mold b4. So this one much more desirable n better condition.

Mixed with high content of wch 2497 wahn. Haha..

Plenty of imitation in market. Enjoy!

My winning-saraburi samakorm competition

A bit disappointed. Out of 10 submission, 3 of them do not have placing. All accepted though, so no fake. :) 2x Lp lampoo bkp 2502 somdej and luang ta pan bkp 2502 somdej.

 

Checked with the director of samakorm. Mr keng rong nam,  he said lampoo received more than 20 pieces of pim Yai n luang ta pan received 18. Very difficult to get placing since my amulet condition is not tip top.

 

Below is the outcome:
1. Lp thuat wat changhai 2524 Pim kamakan -  1st placing
2. Lp pu somdej . Wat in, Pim tan Sam kheng. Klom. - 1st placing
3. Lp sri,  wat sakae,  phrom, silver, small face - 1st placing
4. Lp thuat wat changhai 2497 Wahn,  Pim khlang -  2nd placing
5. Lp parn somdej Pim nok,  samathi - 3rd placing
6. Lp thuat wat changhai 2508 Lang nang suer -  4th placing
7. Lp. Tim. Somdej yant har 2517 - 4th placing
8. Lp. Lampoo wat bkp 2502 somdej Pim yai - accepted without placing
9. Luang dta pan wat bkp 2502 somdej Pim Yai lai yok.-  accepted without placing

 

1st placing got competition book n 2nd n 3rd placing got phra naprok brai ma kam as gift.

Amulets competition result - 20 oct 2013

All amulets submitted certified as real and authentic with 6 of them obtain placing...ha.

1. Lp thuat 2497, pim klaang, wat changhai nur wahn - 4th Placing
2. Lp thuat 2508, taurit lang nang seu, pim yai, wat changhai - 2rd placing
3. Lp thuat 2504, khai pla, roon 4, wat changhai - 3rd placing
4. Lp thuat 2524, pim kamakan, wat changhai nur wahn - 1st placing
5. Lp thuat 2506, pim soomkor penang, wat changhai - verified as real. No placing.
6. Bkp 2502, luang dta pan somdej, pim yai lai yok - verified as real. No placing.
7. Bkp 2509, pim jedi meehoo, somdej - 1st placing
8. Lp ea, snake rein, 2521, wat ban chan - 3rd placing
9. Lp boon somdej, wat klang bang keaw - verified as real. No placing.
10. Lp daeng somdej 2513, wat khao ban dai-it - verified as real. No placing.

Will post photos shortly for sharing....

Luang Phor Thuat 2506 Wat Pakoh Nur Wahn (4th Placing Cert)

Sharing a piece of Luang Phor Thuat issued by Wat Pakoh in 2506. This piece is Pim Yai big face, Nur Wahn and mixed with high amount of Wat changhai AC Tim 2497 Wahn.

In fact Ajarn Tim from Wat changhai came over for the consecration ceremony and offered to mix the 2497 wahn into this batch as recorded in the blue LP thuat blue book.

Now, a piece of 2497 LP thuat wahn, demands a high price. So, many collectors turn to this to learn the wahn and aging formation and also use it as a replacement of the 2497 lp thuat.

This piece shared is in very good condition and got a 4th placing in a major competition. unworn condition as good as new. And pim yai is the most expensive pim for this batch other than pim jew.

Enjoy!