2497 vs 2505 LP Thuat Nur Wahn, Ajarn Tim (Wat Changhai) - Part 2

LP Thuat of 2497 B.C. version is said to be the harder one to differentiate from other kinds, because:

• LP Thuat was made of earth and wahn. The one that has higher component of earth looks more black while the one with more wahn looks more brown and grey. This amulet with the black tone has very fine texture, for example Pim Kammakarn. Since the amulet was not mixed with fixed components, this produced the outcome of different tones. Need an expert to examine and differentiate the amulet.
• The way amulet was kept. When the amulet faces heat and humidity, the condition may change- the texture becomes more tight or loose.

The way to examine LP Thuat of 2497 B.C.needs to have a lot of understanding of which kind of mold and the colour pigments of the amulet.

LP Thuat of 2505 B.C.version (Phi nai khum commonly known as) is more intricate than the 2497 B.C. version since more time taken to produce and fewer number produced. (2497 B.C has 64,000 whereas 2505 B.C. has 20,000 pieces)

• Pim Yai with Kamakarn face is similar to Pim Kamakarn of 2497 B.C. version but smaller. It is said that they might use the same mold.
• Pim Yai with Kamakarn face (but made of new mold). The look is slightly different from first one. It is said that this becomes the original mold for Pim Yai wat Sai Kow (Ajarn Nong)
• Pim Pra Rod may look similar to Pim Pra Rod Kammakarn 2497 but there are some difference. Phim nai khum version, 2505 B.C. has the same tone as Pim Kamakarn. As such, the tone is black with red, black and white pigments, similar to 2497 B.C. version. At the back, there are parts with gold colour mineral, which is unique to this amulet (2497 B.C. amulet may have this characteristic, but not many)

The amulet of Phim nai khum version, 2505 B.C. was produced in smaller quantity than the amulet of the same kind that has the same golden mineral at the back of the amulet. Therefore, Phra LP Thuat, , Phim nai khum 2505 B.C. version is more suitable to be collected than 2497 B.C. version in my opinion.

The amulet made in 2505 B.C. is usually big, worth collecting, although is rare, especially Phim Nai Khum Pim Pra Rod, compared to 2497 B.C. version, which is more common but more expensive.

In summary, for people that cannot afford 2497, or have better far sight, should study 2505. It is far more valuable and has great potential to increase prices. Anyway, their price difference is just 10-15% difference in market now. A top grade 2505 phim nai khum costs the same as a good grade 2497.

What I shared here are 2 very good condition 2505 LP Thuat Phi Nai Kum. One is Pim Yai with kamakarn face and same mold of 2497 pim kamakarn. The other one is new mold. Face and body looks slightly different if you look carefully.  Both are in excellent condition and have won in multiple competitions organized by Samakorm. 

2497 vs 2505 LP Thuat Nur Wahn, Ajarn Tim (Wat Changhai) - Part 1

Many people asked me about LP Thuat (nur wahn) of 2497 and 2505 origin. What is the difference, how many type , material composition, how to differentiate etc.

I would like to pen down what i know and my advice as well.

For 2497, it was well know for the fact that it was the first LP Thuat image. Ajarn Tim the then abbot of Wat Changhai, get "authorized" by LP Thuat to make this images to bless the devotees. It was made of mixture of both "earth" and "herbs". The colour of the amulets depends on material composition and mixture. The more "earth" it is the darker it became and the more herbs it has, the amulet appears brownish or greyish.

Almost all monk stayed near Wat Changhai participated in the making of LP Thuat. The younger monks helped to make materials into "nur" whereas the older/ more senior monks helped to pray/chant. Many special steps were needed to create herbal amulet by hand. Each Nur is unique due to different percentage of ingredients, different time taken to mix/press into mold and dry time too. Nur was sculpted into hundreds of "ball" and hand-pressed them into mold and let it dry naturally. The one that are left to be pressed later, was mostly dried off and cracked easily.  Nur that was not "elastic" enough, resulted in crack. Nur that was too liquid will not produce sharp edges and accurate features. The final piece looks all different because of all these factors despite being mixed with the same ingredient. That is the reason why it is hard to find 2 identical pieces and it is so difficult to authenticate a 2497 even for expert in LPT.

So, to authenticate, please make sure you check the form, the ingredient, greasiness, dryness of materials. If possible, scrap a bit and go through spectrometric analysis to see exact composition and age of the materials. :)

It is that difficult. Strangely, some 2497 are easier to be authenticated than others. And those easier to be authenticated, are usually those that are in bad form. Super dry and the right composition visibly seen. They are cheaper too (due to its bad condition or worn out condition) but safer in my opinion.

LP Thuat Wat Changhai 2524 Pim Phra Rod

Not much of intro needed for LP Thuat 2524. This is a known piece that has many miracles. bombing happen in Hatyai, bus explosion etc. Refer to my other post.

This piece is pim phra rod. Other than Director mold (rectangular), this piece is the most expensive one. LPT 2524 from wat changhai is a piece that i can't avoid. I will keep collecting any good pieces that come my way. I just like it. i have all phim now as long as it is nur wahn.

This piece is of great condition if not because of its nose. It is not well formed during making. Not because of knock or hurt due to wearing. It won't get champion in competition, but good enough for any wearing or normal collection.

Enjoy!

Luang Phu Thuat Tao Lit - Ajarn Tim

Many people asked me about the price differences of LP Thuat Tao lit made by Ajarn Tim of Wat Changhai. So, i decided to summarize it here for the majority readers to the best of my knowledge based on current market situation.

Ultimately there are other factors that influence the price. For example, material used to make. and of course the amulet condition. Price varies about 100k THB depending on amulet condition. For material, a mix metal Pim A can be about 300k THB above but a Pim A with nawa material can be 1M THB above.

Assuming, it is all mixed metal and it is similar condition, then the following sequence describes the prices from high to low.

1. Pim A
2. Pim B
3. Apache (very close or similar price with Pim B)
         - Kang Kaed (thick line from hand to leg)
         - Kang Tamada
4. Pim C
5. Pump Sam
         - Pump A (pump again with Pim A mold) wide body
         - Pump 2 shy
         - Pump A (pump again with Pim A mold) normal body
         - Pump Sam block Tek (literally means broken block with line from head to hand and line from hand to side)
         - Pump Sam Tamada

Price dropped after reached the peak last year for Tao lit. but still expensive pim and good condition pieces are still highly sought after world wide. So...if you have and want to sell, please contact me :)

Cheangwattana competition certs on 26 july 2015

13 certs. But many name mis-spelled. Hai!

2535 ajarn nong lp thuat, mahasitichok - 1st placing

Sharing a champion piece of mahasitichok pim yai with jarn behind. Kammakan face.

Very collectable. N i m still trying to collect pim kamakan mahasitichok. Came across few years ago at ridiculous price. Now i know why, cause after that, i have nvr come across another piece at reasonable price.

Very rare n this batch has great comments from many collectors.

Mixed with 2497 materials n undergone great putthapisek.

Enjoy, this piece won 1st placing in last Sun big sanakorm cheangwattana competition.

Pantip sorng 20 April 2557 competition

Big competition ceremony organized by samakorm . Crowded n full. Many submission. Ticket revenue 36 million thb. ..can u imagine the number of submission n participants?  Now u understand why they organise this so frequently.

Ok, this aside.

Submitted 10 pieces of amulets this round. Some to check authenticity n some want to get cert. I m really sad about the result. Even though all accepted. Meaning no fake.

I expect I got some cert for my lp tae khun phen n 2506 lpt wat prasart.  I submitted 2 pieces Lp tae first batch khun phen n yet none get any placing. Hai. ..it seems many submission n the quality of submission is unexpected to me this round.

Anyway, result as follow:
1. 2524 lp thuat Pim phra rod Wat changhai nur wahn-  champion
2. 2505 lp thuat pim Naikum wat changhai,  but wahn., kamakan-  champion
3. 2542 kring narai ajarn nong, wat saikao - 3rd placing
4. 245x lp pu Somdej Pim khleng klom,  wat in. - 4th placing
5. 2514 lp thuat ajarn nong, wat saikao, nur wahn, hand mold - 4th placing

Others:
Lp tae first batch khun phen 2485 x2
2506 lp thuat wat prasart nur khao
2539 lp thuat taolit Wat changhai nur nawa
2524 lp thuat Pim yai way changhai nur wahn

All accepted n verified as real.

Think kp if have chance got to compete again but not many comp have l.p. tae kp category.  That's the problem.

Hai. ..

Amulets competition result - 20 oct 2013

All amulets submitted certified as real and authentic with 6 of them obtain placing...ha.

1. Lp thuat 2497, pim klaang, wat changhai nur wahn - 4th Placing
2. Lp thuat 2508, taurit lang nang seu, pim yai, wat changhai - 2rd placing
3. Lp thuat 2504, khai pla, roon 4, wat changhai - 3rd placing
4. Lp thuat 2524, pim kamakan, wat changhai nur wahn - 1st placing
5. Lp thuat 2506, pim soomkor penang, wat changhai - verified as real. No placing.
6. Bkp 2502, luang dta pan somdej, pim yai lai yok - verified as real. No placing.
7. Bkp 2509, pim jedi meehoo, somdej - 1st placing
8. Lp ea, snake rein, 2521, wat ban chan - 3rd placing
9. Lp boon somdej, wat klang bang keaw - verified as real. No placing.
10. Lp daeng somdej 2513, wat khao ban dai-it - verified as real. No placing.

Will post photos shortly for sharing....

2508 LP Thuat, Lang Nang Seur, wat changhai

This is a pretty good condition Lang Nang Seur that I collected some time back. Year made was 2508. The "roung dum" is still very much original n in good condition.

Value of LNS of 2508 has been picking up fast recently following higher n higher price for 2505. Very soon, prices of 2505 will become on par with 2497 and 2500. Even now, for certain pim n blocj, it is already on par if not higher.

So it is wise to stock up 2508 now, which is what many dealers are doing now.

Will share my other 2508 collection soon.

ENJOY!